Once Saved, Always Saved? Salvation or Probation?

by Buen Consejo on September 30, 2011 · 7 comments

September 30, 2011 | Buen Consejo | for  http://www.baptist.org
Eternally Secure? Or Eternally Insecure?
Our new birth relationship with God is not that of just a servant, but, firstly, that of a son.  An example of the eternal security difference is shown here:  2 Samuel 7:14,15   “I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:   But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.”  John 1:12  ”But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”
   We are saved by faith in Jesus, by grace.  Not of ourselves. Ephesians 2:8, 9  ”For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
So, What happens when a Christian sins, or continues in sin?  Romans 6:1, 2  ”What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?   God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?”   We should not continue in sin and it is within our new nature not to.  But, we will. Or is it we who do?  Romans 7:15-17  ”For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.  If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.   Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.”  Nonetheless, we are accountable for what we allow.  We are yet accountable to God. Romans 14:10-12  ”But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.  For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”  This accounting is not to see if we are still saved, but because we are.
  Jesus will soon return to set up an international kingdom.  He will rule and reign for 1,000 years.  We who are saved and serve and keep ourselves from sin  (James 1:27  ”Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.”) will rule and reign with him.  In Revelations 20:4 “…and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
  How does this happen?  Firstly, the judgment seat of Christ.  1 Corinthians 3:11-15  ”For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.   Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;   Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.  If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.  If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.”
   The judgment seat of Christ is about reward, ruling and reigning.  It is about the kingdom of God, not salvation.  Yes, they are not the same.  You must be saved to be in the kingdom, but not all the saved will be in it.  Here is a scriptural example:  1 Corinthians 6:9,10  ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,   Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”  Fornicators do not inherit the kingdom of God.  1 Corinthians 5:1-5  ”It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife.   And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.  For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,  In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,  To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”    Chapter 6 clearly states that no fornicator shall inherit the kingdom.  In chapter 5 is an example of a fornicator that is saved and will stay saved.
  Jesus made a promise to save us. John 6:39  ”And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.”   It is his assignment from the Father.  We count on him being faithful, not we.  2 Timothy 2:11-13 ”It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:   If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.”  If we suffer with him we will reign with him.  if we deny him our prayers, blessings and protection will be denied. Our receiving of reward will be denied.  But, since he is faithful… we are still saved.  He cannot deny his own promise.
  So, what happens when we sin?  Firstly, we will be chastened if we do not accept correction. Hebrews 12:5-8 ”And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:  For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.  If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?   But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.”  If a saved person continues in sin he will be chastened.  If he is not chastened, he was never really saved.  A life born of the teachings, not of the Father.
  We cannot lose salvation because salvation is not of ourselves, it is a gift.  The kingdom is a different deal.  After all, we are saved from being ignorant sinners.  If by ignorance and sin we err, that’s the glory of grace.   But beware the Father’s heavy hand.
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Buen Consejo. This name is Spanish for “Good Counsel”. I got this nick-name while doing a prison ministry, since I speak Spanish fluently. I am however, not Latino, but a Jew from the tribe of Levi, raised in Judaism. In 1980 I was brought by the old testament scriptures to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. My stand is simple: The scriptures are correct, let’s study them. Acts 24:14 “But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:” Facebook: Buen Consejo Email: [email protected]

  • Marcy

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  • Gary

    Don’t you think that it is a problem that there is no evidence in the Early Christian Church of the belief that “once saved, always saved”? In fact, quite the opposite. There are plenty of early Christian pastors and theologians in the first three to four centuries AD who warn Christians not to be complacent in their faith and live a life of willful sin…lest they perish to eternal damnation.

    I grew up evangelical. I witnessed many persons pray the Sinner’s Prayer or go forward during an Altar Call and make what seemed to be very genuine professions of faith. These people then went on to witness to others about salvation through faith in Christ, attend Church and prayer meetings, etc. for a number of years.

    They NOW never darken a church door or read a Bible. One person has converted to be a Muslim to marry her Arab husband, completely abandoning the Christian faith. I know of others who became murderers and child molesters and are unrepentant. I know others who are now living lives of sexual immorality and believe that there is nothing wrong with their behavior.

    Do you really believe that if one of these former believers dies…he or she will go to heaven???

    I know one Lutheran mother who’s daughter became an evangelical and had a “born again” experience. A short time later the daughter started living with her boyfriend. Her mother warned her that what she was doing is sin, and that ongoing willful sin against God places her salvation in jeopardy. The daughter replied, “Don’t worry, Mom. I’m covered. I was born again, and if you are born again there is no way you can lose your salvation no matter what you do. Lutherans are wrong.”

    Neither infant baptism nor an adult “born again” experience is a “Get-into-heaven-free” card! Salvation only occurs by the grace of God, received through faith. No faith, no salvation.

    The Christian whose faith and trust is in the Lord need never worry about his eternal security/his salvation. Our salvation is not dependent on how many good works we do. But, the believer who takes his salvation for granted, turns his back on God and lives a life of sin is endangering his soul and very well may wake up one day in hell!

    The doctrine of Eternal Security is an invention of the Calvinists, codified at the Synod of Dort. It is false teaching. It did not exist in the Early Church. It is a license to sin! The Doctrine of Eternal Security is not scriptural!

    I encourage evangelicals to read this Lutheran statement on this issue:

    http://www.hopelcms.org/default.aspx?pg=87ac4963-1ad2-499c-8a26-0304068bf63c

  • http://steve-finnell.blogspot.com/ steve finnell

    ONCE LOST ALWAYS LOST ?
    If men embrace the doctrine of once saved always saved, then the opposite must be true as well. Are men once lost always lost? Of course not. Once saved always saved is a false teaching. Once lost always lost is also false teaching.

    John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

    Does this Scripture teach once lost always lost? Of course not. Men cant repent of their unbelief and be saved.

    John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life: but he does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

    Does this Scripture teach once saved always saved? Of course not. Men can stop believing or continue to live an unrepentant sinful lifestyle and be lost.

    John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    Does this Bible verse teach once lost always lost? Of course not. While men are alive they have the opportunity to repent and believe.

    John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not Judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    Does this Bible verse teach once saved always saved? Of course not. Men do fall from grace.

    Mark 16:16 He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

    Does this Scripture teach once lost always lost? Of course not. Men can repent of their disbelief and be saved.

    Mark 16:16 He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

    Does this Scripture teach once saved always saved? Of course not. Men can reject Christ after having believed and become lost in sin.

    THE APOSTLE PAUL WAS NOT ONCE LOST ALWAYS LOST.
    1 Timothy 1:12-14 I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me, because He considered me faithful, putting me into service, 13 even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief; and the grace of the Lord was more than abundant, with the faith and love which are found in Christ Jesus.

    Paul was not once lost always lost.

    MEN ARE NOT ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED
    Hebrews 3:12-14 Take care brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that fall away from the living God……. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end,

    Men are not once saved always saved.

    IF THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED IS TRUE, THEN, THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF ONCE LOST ALWAYS LOST WOULD ALSO BE TRUE!

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    • Taylor

      Thank you for that insight Steve, there is a bumper sticker that says this “Try Jesus, if you don’t like Him, the Devil will take you back.” I being a “ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED BAPTIST” disagrees with that bumper sticker. and your statements we think many times as humans with finite minds that God thinks as we do. BUT that od course isn’t true … with that being said it make perfect since that if once saved always saved is true than once lost always lost is true also … (Calvinism) … but Grace is never ending and once you are saved (and it be true) than you are always saved. The scriptures that are talking about disobedience of the Son means that a person never true had been saved … You may think this was my presupposition, or I use my Doctrine to interpret Scripture but coming from a Pentecostal background where I was taught saved then lost doctrines and the weighting out of sins I learned it to be untrue because of the thief on the Cross, who died hours after Christ, who probably had weak faith at that point, but Christ said today you will be with Me in paradise … Jesus has saved me even in weak faith and I can never give Him up nor do anything to revoke His Seal on my life … He did say NONE can pluck thee from my Hands.

      • DENNIS

        the thief on the cross has nothing to do with once saved always saved. read JESUS’S parable of the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS LIKED UNTO THE 10 VIRGINS. YOU SHOULD HAVE REMAINED PENECOSTAL

  • Gary

    You don’t have to be a five-pointer to be a Calvinist. If you believe in “Once Saved, Always Saved” you are still a “Calvinistic Baptist”. I believe that this false teaching is sending thousands if not millions of Baptists and evangelicals to hell due to a false sense of assurance.

    The Back-Slidden Baptist’s Salvation Check List:

    Just as there are many orthodox Christians, including Lutherans, who, to their eternal damnation, rely on their infant Baptism as their “Get-into-heaven Free Card”, I believe that there are many Baptists and evangelicals who rely on their one time “Decision for Christ” as their automatic ticket into heaven.

    Just to be clear, I am sure that there are many, many Baptists and evangelicals who are much better Christians than I am. As Paul, I am the first among sinners. But I believe that the teaching of Decision Theology accompanied with the horrific teaching of “Once Saved, Always Saved”, has damned just as many Baptists and evangelicals to hell as “Once Baptized, Always Saved” has damned many poorly catechized orthodox Christians.

    I was taught growing up fundamentalist Baptist that a born-again Christian who stops going to church, reading the Bible, praying, etc. is a “back-slider”. He has back-slidden into sin.

    So let’s review the “Back-Slidden” Baptist’s and (Baptistic) Evangelical’s Salvation Check-list:

    1. Have I attended church in the last twenty years: No.
    2. Have I partaken of the Lord’s Supper in the last twenty years: No.
    3. Have I read my Bible in the last twenty years: No.
    4. Have I prayed (other than, “Lord please help me win the Powerball!”) in the last twenty years? No.
    5. Have I shared the Gospel with a non-believer in the last twenty years. No.
    6. Did I pray the Sinner’s Prayer twenty-one years ago in a Baptist altar call. Yes.

    Conclusion: SAVED!

    Now, if you present this to a Baptist or evangelical of the Baptist persuasion, he or she will say that the person above was never saved. That is why we do not see any “fruit of the Spirit”.

    They have a much harder time, however, using that explanation when the “back-slider” is a prominent conservative Baptist or evangelical pastor or evangelist who has “won many souls to Christ” and has preached great moving sermons for years. “How could the person who led me to Christ have been a non-believer??” Situations such as these really rattle these “Once Saved, Always Saved” Christians.

    Gary
    Luther, Baptists, and Evangelicals
    an orthodox Lutheran blog

  • Rev, Darryl Thomas

    What about Matt 7:21, 22 , 2peter 2:20-22 Matt 12: 43-45 , john 10: 27-28 ; john 15 chapter wow it’s blows my mind that people believe this, that right they believe anything,,,,,, !!!!!!